Going by power scaling and math, SSJ4 is pretty dang powerful. This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read about DB for some time. The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. @jashro44: So are we saying that Ultimate Gohan would be an actually challenge for Golden Frieza if they fought for real? Yes he wasn't holding back. Krillin, the first to go off but at least he had some good moments that episode, 10. Composite, ergo current SSG Goku as of 125,then Gohan might lose. He did not feel the need to use even SSJ3. Kind of but all it ended up being was Tein getting destroyed, and then Gohan and Goku fighting each other. Piccolo stated Gohan only lost to Buu with such power due to carelessness. One second Goku can keep up with skinny buu in base, the next episode Roshi is keeping up with him...Yea he's been doing training in secret but does anyone seriously think Roshi is on par with buu? Goku Black would kick Hit's ass 5 ways to Sunday. That's even shown in the manga with Gohan only being the strongest on Earth without Goku and Vegeta. There's many more evidence where this comes from, too concerning Goku's personality traits and fighting methods. goku but not in a stomp as in WTF happen and how gohan was able to even fight with blue goku or even survive his KK move is beyond me so why will this shit be different??? Please re watch the episode again, because this episode made it quite clear that Goku stomps on his son without question even when non serious. Golden Frieza couldn't defeat Dyspo too, is that mean Frieza was also not a SSJB tier?". 9 months ago. Gohan showed only a little more power than rookie SSJ3 Goku in DBZ. That just means frieza would win which he would. Also, what about the fight against 17? People are so delusional here, it is ridiculous. It's a cheat code that lets you move into a crazy high power level without bleeding off ki or having to undergo insane body alteration like imperfect SS2 or SS3. The narrator confirms this. What is wrong with you? You're just simply never going to realize that Goku was ALWAYS in control of the entire sparring match and never took Gohan seriously until Gohan pleaded multiple times, and let his own son get a few blows after realizing that SS2 beyond god was simply too much. I feel the idea of Goku having all the powers of ssj God has been inconsistent....IIRC Goku was being pinned by Tupper and Android 18 picked him up easily. In ROF it was stated Goku in SBG used the power of SSG in Base to fight final form Frieza, Frieza was relative to that base Goku. Gohan is about to fight Toppo and Dyspo, both of whom are SSB level. Only when Goku when Kaioken did Gohan lose. @omriamar: Again: Gohan was begging Goku to use his full power. Someone needs to make a thread re-evaluating SSJG/SSJB's power. Until Gohan has a first real fight, I won't believe feats from a spar. Also, it should be evident that Android 17 is quite clearly not on Toppo's or any god's level. Frieza, he has arguably the best moments in the ToP, 3. Gohan made it quite clear, 3 times in fact, that he was BEGGINGGoku to use all of his power. Likes Received: 95 Trophy Points: 688 Joined: Nov 8, 2011. 3. @stricnyn3: freiza didn't give toppo a near death experience. Piccolo had a few good moments like his special beam canon on the U6 namekians, his strategy against the sniper, and him taking out the universe 4 guys, but overall he had a poor performance compared to everyone else. We do know Goku was serious. Gohan's claims don't mean much when we have feats that support him not being as strong as SSB tier fighters. Gohan had problems with a guy from U10 as well, and SSG Goku almost definitely could of beaten that guy. 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